# Infinite types and existential newtypes

Can we construct an infinite type in Haskell? I don’t mean “infinite” in the sense that it has infinitely many inhabitants, but that the type itself, its name, consists of an infinite tree of type constructors (an equirecursive type, more or less). For example, the following type synonym, if it were legal, would define a type which is an infinite tree of `(->)`

.

`type T = T -> T`

## Spoilers

No, we can’t.### With type families?

Here’s a first attempt with type families. This compiles:

```
type family F where
F = F -> F
```

This compiles still:

```
x :: F
x = x
```

But surprisingly, this doesn’t:

```
-- Nope.
x :: F
x = undefined
```

GHC tries the impossible task of unfolding `F`

completely to unify the type of `undefined`

with `F`

, and fails after spending too much fuel:

```
• Reduction stack overflow; size = 201
When simplifying the following type: F
Use -freduction-depth=0 to disable this check
(any upper bound you could choose might fail unpredictably with
minor updates to GHC, so disabling the check is recommended if
you're sure that type checking should terminate)
```

So anything beyond `x = x`

has no hope of working.

```
-- Nope.
x :: F
x y = y
```

### With existential types?

Another idea is to hide the infinite type in an existential type, which would avoid the problematic equation causing the loop in the type checker.

```
data Some where
MkSome :: a -> Some
```

The goal is to somehow wrap an `x :: a`

such that:

`MkSome x = MkSome (x, x)`

which would implicitly lead to this desired equation on the type of `x`

:

`a ~ (a, a)`

We could try the following:

```
u :: Some
u = MkSome (x, x) where
MkSome x = u
```

But that is rejected. It is also not quite clear where the type of `x`

is bound. Maybe it means this (and that’s the closest to how GHC actually understands it):

```
u :: Some
u = MkSome (x, x) where
x = case u of MkSome x -> x
```

where the type of `x`

is bound by the pattern under the `case`

, and would thus “escape its scope”.

Or maybe it means this, where we pattern-match first to make the existentially quantified type variable available, before wrapping it again in a pair:

```
u :: Some
u = case u of
MkSome x -> MkSome (x, x)
```

Of course, that is not a productive definition.

For completeness, here’s yet another version, but again with the same scoping problem as the first one:

```
u :: Some
u = MkSome (case u of
MkSome x -> (x, x))
```

It appears that *unpacking an existentially quantified type requires computation*. Do it too early and you’re too strict, try to delay it and type variables escape their scope.

This is puzzling, because “existential quantification” should be a matter of types, of abstraction, something to be erased at run time… like `newtype`

!

### With existential newtypes?

If we could define an “existential newtype”, whose constructor has no run-time presence, then perhaps this would do the job:

```
newtype Some where -- Pretend this makes sense
MkSome :: a -> Some
u :: Some
u = case u of
MkSome x -> MkSome (x, x)
```

It is straightforward to understand in terms of type erasure, the newtype goes away, so we would be left with this (as we might expect):

`u = (u, u)`

However, it seems awfully difficult to formalize what is going on with explicit types instead, which would otherwise be the obvious way to guarantee type soundness (i.e., “well-typed programs do not go wrong”).

Indeed, newtypes are compiled using coercions. For example, a `case`

expression on the `Identity`

newtype becomes a coercion `runIdentity :: Identity a -> a`

inside the term (you can check it on real examples with the compiler option `-ddump-ds`

(desugarer output)):

```
case v of
Identity y -> f y
-- desugars to --
f (runIdentity v)
```

But if we want to allow newtypes to use existential quantification, there is no obvious type we can give to an “`unMkSome`

” coercion, especially because of the scoping issues we already ran into earlier.^{1}

Does that mean we should throw away the whole notion of “existential newtype”? Of course not. It can be useful to not pay the cost of an extra constructor at run time for existential quantification. The question comes up once in a while: here’s the relevant ticket on GHC’s issue tracker. Although `newtype`

is currently the *de facto* way to do such things, a different solution that would also work for existential types, and which was proposed in that discussion, is to unpack `data`

types with one strict single-field constructor. That proposal is especially nice as it doesn’t add anything new to the language itself, it is purely an optimization.

Because of that, it does not provide an answer to the above puzzle of constructing infinite types, and that’s a relief! That endeavor was *purposefully dubious*: a working solution would suggest that something extremely ~~wrong~~ *interesting* is going on with the type system.

Nevertheless, investigating how such a questionable requirement could be met lead to some surprising interaction between existential types and recursion.

Potential, but clunky, alternatives to model that: dependent types, that can refer explicitly to the hidden type (

`runMkSome :: foreach u : Some . case u of MkSome @a _ -> a`

), or fancier scoping rules that would somehow allow type variables to “temporarily escape their scope” (no idea what that may look like).↩︎